Comments on: The Zany Czars Continue to Babble http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/ A Voice of Sanity in an Insane World Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:21:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Davidmbrowndotcom http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1340 Davidmbrowndotcom Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:23:55 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1340 Andrew28 writes, "Without very minimal government regulation we end up with situations like Upton Sinclair’s _The Jungle_ History shows that extremes are bad for the human condition." Extremes of what? What is "the situation" of _THe Jungle_ that is to be properly redressed by the author's (non-extreme?) socialism? No government involvement in the economy except to enforce of prohibitions against force and fraud is necessary to ensure ever-improving economic conditions. In an unhampered market, there is continous growth of capital and the freedom to make the best choices for oneself that one can, without being stomped by some politician or bureaucrat. Are we to assume that in a social environment of full freedom and protection of individual rights, neither market competitors nor employees nor consumers can or will act to improve their lot to the extent their resources permit when conditions are less than satisfactory? Andrew28 writes, “Without very minimal government regulation we end up with situations like Upton Sinclair’s _The Jungle_ History shows that extremes are bad for the human condition.” Extremes of what? What is “the situation” of _THe Jungle_ that is to be properly redressed by the author’s (non-extreme?) socialism? No government involvement in the economy except to enforce of prohibitions against force and fraud is necessary to ensure ever-improving economic conditions. In an unhampered market, there is continous growth of capital and the freedom to make the best choices for oneself that one can, without being stomped by some politician or bureaucrat. Are we to assume that in a social environment of full freedom and protection of individual rights, neither market competitors nor employees nor consumers can or will act to improve their lot to the extent their resources permit when conditions are less than satisfactory?

]]> By: Texas_Engineer http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1307 Texas_Engineer Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:21:06 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1307 Capitalism is the un-system. It is not even an "ism". Capitalism is the un-system. It is not even an “ism”.

]]> By: Andrew28 http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1306 Andrew28 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:48:12 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1306 Hi Robert, I mostly agree with this article but their are some points that I would like to debate. Now, just to start, I agree that these czars are all anti-liberty, leftist wingnuts that should all be put on trial for treason against the American people. On capitalism though, I do not believe that Laissez-Faire capitalism is the way to go. Without very minimal government regulation we end up with situations like Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle." History shows that extremes are bad for the human condition. Too little government and the disingenuous run free to screw as many people as they can get away with. Too much and we have a lagging economy with too much red tape to be profitable. What we need is a balance. I believe that the Government should enact just the basics safety regulation (within reason of regular people, not washington, those idiots don't know anything) and leave it at that. I belive that if we remove the smothering effect of government on business, but leave just enough pressure on to minimalise any harm then the America I love will prosper again. Sincerely, Andrew C.E. P.S. please continue writing, it give me hope that the education revolution is not over yet. Hi Robert,

I mostly agree with this article but their are some points that I would like to debate. Now, just to start, I agree that these czars are all anti-liberty, leftist wingnuts that should all be put on trial for treason against the American people. On capitalism though, I do not believe that Laissez-Faire capitalism is the way to go. Without very minimal government regulation we end up with situations like Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle.” History shows that extremes are bad for the human condition. Too little government and the disingenuous run free to screw as many people as they can get away with. Too much and we have a lagging economy with too much red tape to be profitable. What we need is a balance. I believe that the Government should enact just the basics safety regulation (within reason of regular people, not washington, those idiots don’t know anything) and leave it at that. I belive that if we remove the smothering effect of government on business, but leave just enough pressure on to minimalise any harm then the America I love will prosper again.

Sincerely,
Andrew C.E.

P.S. please continue writing, it give me hope that the education revolution is not over yet.

]]> By: Reality seeker http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1305 Reality seeker Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:51:00 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1305 "Capitalism is not a system; Capitalism is nothing more, and nothing less, than a subcategory of freedom — economic freedom." What an excellent definition of Capitalism. And Capitalism, unencumbered by government, is one of the best aspects of freedom. BB's ridiculous remark about dogs implies that Capitalism is a cold, hard, greedy, and ruthlessly selfish "system" of doing business that is flawed because, unlike his "system" of Socialism and Social Justice," Capitalism isn't about friendship; however, BB thinks it should be. BB's and all the others' anti-capitalistic rhetoric is primarily designed to persuade the masses that Collectivism is superior to Capitalism because the collectivists care more about humanity, than the independent and freedom loving Capitalists do; but, this, of course, is only more of the same old mixing up and packaging and repackaging of the facts that the sophists have been doing for many years now. And let's not kid ourselves: Mr. Ringer understands to the point of seeing right through the specious BBs of this world. He may even understand them, and their sophistry, more than they understand it and themselves. “Capitalism is not a system; Capitalism is nothing more, and nothing less, than a subcategory of freedom — economic freedom.” What an excellent definition of Capitalism. And Capitalism, unencumbered by government, is one of the best aspects of freedom.

BB’s ridiculous remark about dogs implies that Capitalism is a cold, hard, greedy, and ruthlessly selfish “system” of doing business that is flawed because, unlike his “system” of Socialism and Social Justice,” Capitalism isn’t about friendship; however, BB thinks it should be.

BB’s and all the others’ anti-capitalistic rhetoric is primarily designed to persuade the masses that Collectivism is superior to Capitalism because the collectivists care more about humanity, than the independent and freedom loving Capitalists do; but, this, of course, is only more of the same old mixing up and packaging and repackaging of the facts that the sophists have been doing for many years now.

And let’s not kid ourselves: Mr. Ringer understands to the point of seeing right through the specious BBs of this world. He may even understand them, and their sophistry, more than they understand it and themselves.

]]> By: trekstar77 http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1304 trekstar77 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:31:36 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1304 It's a line from the movie "Wall Street." That's back before Oliver Stone went completely nuts... -p It’s a line from the movie “Wall Street.” That’s back before Oliver Stone went completely nuts…

-p

]]> By: dbrusiee http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/10/27/the-zany-czars-continue-to-babble/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 dbrusiee Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:15 +0000 http://blog.robertringer.com/?p=945#comment-1303 In my opinion this is another good article. Again it raises the question why aren't the "other" political parties making a lot of noise over this issue expecially the Republicans? Hmmmm, make me think that we never really had a "free market" for political candidates. We certainly don't have any real options today... SOMEONE PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. In my opinion this is another good article. Again it raises the question why aren’t the “other” political parties making a lot of noise over this issue expecially the Republicans? Hmmmm, make me think that we never really had a “free market” for political candidates. We certainly don’t have any real options today… SOMEONE PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG.

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