Reality Seeker & deusimplicitus – I agree with you that this is the road that “they” are going down! But the question is, What can be done to KEEP it from happening, at least to SOME of us? The AWARE ones such as yourself? SECEDE? I submit that MAY be the/AN answer! And just “sounding the alarm” won’t work either, because there are TOO MANY of THEM!
Proof: See the election results! And COUNT the apathetic NON-voters! It’s TOO MUCH of a dead-ass, non-thinking, non-involved MASS, to move!

I submit that ANY plan, that tries to define both “Method AND Performance”…..will FAIL.
It’s got to be one, or the other. I prefer to follow PERFORMANCE based plans/solutions.
What say you?

If you think Glen beck is TRUSTWORTHY fare for anywone, you have very little perception. For a while I was misled because, sure enough, he hits the nail on the head some of the time. That is what makes him a dangerous person. I LIKE him and want to agree with him. But I have observed too many times that he has an agenda (whether his own or one imposed in some Faustian way) to mislead in much the same way as the famous Missouri terrorist characteristics (which included veterans) that he so roundly decried. Do you really believe that James von Brunn is a hero of the 9-11 truth movement? That is just one exmple of what Glenn Beck has fed to his listeners. Did you note how independent and determined to tell the real truth about FEMA camps he was, only to do a 180 between Fox and Friends in the morning and his show in the afternoon of the same day, followed by contracting out the job to Popular Mechanics, the shill debunker of 9-11 truthers?

As John Stossel would say, “Give me a break.”

Sadly, I don’t think his efforts or the combined efforts of all the great educators of late will *prevent* the “disconnected” masses from supporting those who will inevitably destroy American Liberty and The Rule Of Law.

America, in the end, will crash. And at that point in time, it will be the true moment of truth that some of us have been waiting for. I firmly *do not* believe that education alone will prevent or resolve the moment of truth from arriving. I refuse to expend much energy in trying to prevent what is ahead. I vehemently disagree that, “we all have to pitch in and help rehabilitate our family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers who have been afflicted with The Disconnect.”

We face a tidal wave of ignorance, a tsunami, that is unstoppable. I feel a bit sorry for the great educators of late and all those who exhaust themselves trying to prevent the masses from crashing the entire system. Allow me to illustrate why I feel this way: I was watching The Glen Beck Show on Fox News the other day and it’s obvious that the permutations of the “Tea Party” protest are intensifying. I can see that it’s not going to take very long for some individuals to figure out that “talk is cheap” and action is precious. The murmurings of the overtaxed populace are slowly coming to a boil. One day, it will dawn on them that “actions speaks louder than words.” Right now the discontent is just slowly simmering and it may take years before a true tax revolt is started. However, there are exceptions: “The Coach,” who was interviewed by Mr. Beck, is someone who is ahead of the general population and those who took part in the “Tea Party. “The Coach” claims that he is not going to pay his taxes and that he’s ready, willing, and able to go to prison as a means of protesting the out of control spending, taxation without representation, and the generational theft that the government is engaging in. Now that’s a genuine protest. It reminds me of Henry David Thoreau and how he refused to pay taxes. He was even thrown in jail until someone paid them in his behalf, then he was released a short time later.

Personally, I think “The Coach” is premature in his timing. There will be a time to withhold taxes and go to prison. There will be a time to withdraw all the rest of your money from the fractional banking system and use it to buy and sell in a protest market (aka black market). There will be a time to sell all the rest of your stocks and use the money to finish building your personal *stockpile.* The bottom line is that there will be a time for some serious protest. Yes, there will be a time to go *all in* and educate, educate, educate. When? The critical time is just before, during, and after the socialists (who now firmly control the U.S. government) crash the entire 233 year old system…..that’s when. When those who support socialism finally crash the entire system— beyond any temporary repair— it will then be the opportune time to protest and go all in.

Some would say that it’s time to act now before it is too late. Some would say now is the time to educate with a passion and protest with resolve. I disagree. I want to see more pain, suffering, and bewilderment on the part of the masses who voted for Barack Obama. In fact, I want to see, first, a level of stagflation occur in the U.S.economy similar to that of the Jimmy Carter era. I want to see some riots of discontent. I want to see news stories about how large numbers of old people are freezing or cooking to death because they cannot afford electric and/or heating oil to maintain the temperature of their homes. I want to see stories of the same old people eating cat food because they cannot pay for human food. I want to see, on a widespread basis, mothers who cannot feed their children. I want to see young people rioting and vandalizing because they’re hot with anger. I want to actually see politicians who are truly angry and afraid. I want to see a true, overt, funding crisis occur in the U.S. Government and the start of a wicked, out of control, hyperinflation. I want to see a desperate and exasperated socialist-government in a total panic because it cannot print money fast enough to sustain the level of socialism and dependency that it has fostered. I want to see some true hopelessness and death before I act. I’ve traveled the world, and I know what hopelessness and death look like, so I’ll wait for the real thing. I want to see the horror of socialism colliding with reality, then I’ll dedicate myself 100% to a true protest/revolt/education campaign.

Why do I want to wait and see all of the above before I put my life on the line like “The Coach” is doing? Why don’t I act with 100% conviction, now, to try and help prevent the cruel and horrifying events that I think will take place? Why? Why?? Why??? ….Why won’t I “pitch in and help rehabilitate our family, friends, neighbors, and coworkers who have been afflicted with The Disconnect?” Because, I don’t believe that the chances are in favor of those who want to try and prevent the coming catastrophe……that’s why.

Just as sure as the sun is going to rise, human nature, being what it is, will prevent the masses from turning against their beloved socialist government no matter how much you or I or Mr. Ringer try to reason and educate them. Does that mean that me and you should not try and help educate anyone at all? No, of course not; but it’s a losing battle that we should not exhaust ourselves in or expect to achieve the desired results …… Truly, I don’t even think that if we had an army of educators, that are of the high caliber of Mr. Ringer or Mr. Beck, that we can, or will, stop the crash of western civilization. The collectivist masses have become to reliant on socialism to reject it, they’re hooked.

The government has become like a mommy who spoils her dependant children to the point of ruination. Education alone won’t motivate those who embrace socialism. Severe pain is what motivates the masses, not reason, education, or long-term-thinking. They have to learn the hard way—and that’s just what’s going to happen in my opinion. When the time is right to rise up and crush socialism, and not a minute before, then is when I, personally, will act. When a lot more people are saying, “Give me liberty or give me death,” and they are truly meaning and feeling it in their hearts; that’s when the time is right to act boldly and attempt to defeat the lie—–and not a minute before.

I ask you: What did the founding fathers do before they attempted to throw off the yoke of the British? They waited until the British made life so unbearable for the general population that the masses would fight to the death to free themselves—-then the founding fathers made their move. I would employ and join those who would use the very same strategy: I want some serious pain and suffering on my side in the coming fight. Those who can turn serious pain and suffering into their allies will have a powerful force for true change that you can believe in. And if I’m wrong, and we all muddle on down the road for the next 50 years without a dramatic climax, and I die of old age, like F.A. Hayek did, without having to face the genuine collapse of western civilization, then I’m wrong and I will not end up wasting my time in jail for nothing of any long term value—like “The Coach” is doing.

And if Mr. Ringer is correct in his assessment that “The Obama fascists want to destroy the U.S. economy so they can establish control over every aspect of your life. Since no one else will say it, I’ll step up to the plate: They are running a race to head off free elections in 2010 — and, if that should fail, 2012 for sure.”

If Mr. Ringer is correct in the above bold statement, then it’s even more important than ever to wait until they make their move, then counter punch them to death—”For sure.”

I often find myself in an apoplectic state of incredulity when, like you, I try to point out all the obvious signs of the loss and forfeiture of our individual freedoms and autonomy, and the person or persons I’m speaking to, replies with a nonchalant response that I’m over-reacting or that I am somehow misreading trends and reality. They somehow believe that what happened to other countries and nations, can’t possibly happen here as we’re ‘THE UNITED STATES’!

I’m not sure at this point that many of these somnambulistic people can be aroused to at least be a little alarmed at what has occurred, and is occurring in the loss of our liberties, privacy, and freedoms.

The reality is that the rest of us, who have a more objective and realistic historical perspective, have the obligation to ourselves and future generations, to continue to sound the alarm over the rapidly deteriorating political landscape, and to encourage Americans to reject the obvious government altruism being extended, with their not so hidden agenda of an eventual American dystopia.