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		<title>By: rmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/01/06/valkyrie-socrates-and-you-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>rmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to joshchambers

I guess I was using the terms “benefits” from a libertarian point of view. I have to admit that you are correct in your analysis of what “benefits” mean to the public. They want something for nothing. They expect someone to deliver that something to them. And they’ll only support those dishonest enough to supply it.

Sometimes it is hard to accept the fact that most people want someone else to make their decisions for them. Maybe you’re right. The nation is done for. How tragic. However, I think I prefer fight to flight.

Robert A. Meyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to joshchambers</p>
<p>I guess I was using the terms “benefits” from a libertarian point of view. I have to admit that you are correct in your analysis of what “benefits” mean to the public. They want something for nothing. They expect someone to deliver that something to them. And they’ll only support those dishonest enough to supply it.</p>
<p>Sometimes it is hard to accept the fact that most people want someone else to make their decisions for them. Maybe you’re right. The nation is done for. How tragic. However, I think I prefer fight to flight.</p>
<p>Robert A. Meyer</p>
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		<title>By: joshchambers</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/01/06/valkyrie-socrates-and-you-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>joshchambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Meyer-
     You have to understand, to the public, there ARE no benefits!  To succeed in a laissez-faire system, you have to be productive, which means taking action and making decisions.  Right now, people don&#039;t have to make any decisions, their decisions are made for them by Congress and the President.  Bush didn&#039;t throw any money at them, so they hate him.  Obama has promised them money hand over fist, the more irresponsible they&#039;ve been, the better!  Most people in the US now would prefer a form of slavery to freedom, since freedom comes with no guarantees that they will have everything they want.  In fact, they can be almost positive that they won&#039;t be able to have all of their dreams fulfilled, because it is impossible in the real world.  Politicians like Obama can help them avoid reality for a little longer, and when they have to face reality, Obama will give them a good scapegoat to blame it on.  This nation is done for.  The time has come to decide between fight or flight.  Fight, and you face overwhelming odds.  Flee, and you only go somewhere that&#039;s maybe 10 years behind us, if that.  There are no good choices left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Meyer-<br />
     You have to understand, to the public, there ARE no benefits!  To succeed in a laissez-faire system, you have to be productive, which means taking action and making decisions.  Right now, people don&#8217;t have to make any decisions, their decisions are made for them by Congress and the President.  Bush didn&#8217;t throw any money at them, so they hate him.  Obama has promised them money hand over fist, the more irresponsible they&#8217;ve been, the better!  Most people in the US now would prefer a form of slavery to freedom, since freedom comes with no guarantees that they will have everything they want.  In fact, they can be almost positive that they won&#8217;t be able to have all of their dreams fulfilled, because it is impossible in the real world.  Politicians like Obama can help them avoid reality for a little longer, and when they have to face reality, Obama will give them a good scapegoat to blame it on.  This nation is done for.  The time has come to decide between fight or flight.  Fight, and you face overwhelming odds.  Flee, and you only go somewhere that&#8217;s maybe 10 years behind us, if that.  There are no good choices left.</p>
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		<title>By: rmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.robertringer.com/2009/01/06/valkyrie-socrates-and-you-part-i/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>rmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to bigT

Yes, it is sad that most people tend to believe whatever those in power tell them. 

In his magnificent book on economics, Ludwig von Mises stated that most people lack the ability to engage in a lengthy chain of reasoning. In fact most of them parrot-like repeat what they have heard from other people--people who are even less informed than they are. Is it any wonder that the media and the political establishment captured the minds of the masses?

The future of our once great nation is rather bleak--unless libertarians and other lovers of liberty and freedom become more effective at conveying the benefits of Laissez faire capitalism.

Robert A. Meyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to bigT</p>
<p>Yes, it is sad that most people tend to believe whatever those in power tell them. </p>
<p>In his magnificent book on economics, Ludwig von Mises stated that most people lack the ability to engage in a lengthy chain of reasoning. In fact most of them parrot-like repeat what they have heard from other people&#8211;people who are even less informed than they are. Is it any wonder that the media and the political establishment captured the minds of the masses?</p>
<p>The future of our once great nation is rather bleak&#8211;unless libertarians and other lovers of liberty and freedom become more effective at conveying the benefits of Laissez faire capitalism.</p>
<p>Robert A. Meyer</p>
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		<title>By: bigT</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 08:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and if there’s one thing we know about human beings, most of them, sadly, tend to believe whatever those in power tell them.&quot;{


This pretty much explains why America is in decline and democracy has been diminishing. Earlier in Americas founding people were not always like this hence they started a country like America. So this &quot;leadership&quot; has been able to get away with alot ie... no accountability and more corruption while the sheeple look on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and if there’s one thing we know about human beings, most of them, sadly, tend to believe whatever those in power tell them.&#8221;{</p>
<p>This pretty much explains why America is in decline and democracy has been diminishing. Earlier in Americas founding people were not always like this hence they started a country like America. So this &#8220;leadership&#8221; has been able to get away with alot ie&#8230; no accountability and more corruption while the sheeple look on.</p>
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		<title>By: joshchambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshchambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the questions posted in the article-  yes, I will be considered a traitor for thinking that, as I will for speaking out against those things.  I am prepared for the results, though I don&#039;t look forward to them.  As to Bush making us into Nazi Germany, all he did was open the door.  When a President chooses to run roughshod over the congress, the Congress has its seats for sale in at least one case, and the justice system has become a court of law, not justice, with the masses choosing what is right or wrong for everyone, the nation becomes ripe for transformation.  In the case of the US, we will most likely try Socialism, because everyone who has gone to public school knows it&#039;s the best way.  That it isn&#039;t makes no difference, the masses have been told it is, so it is.  Thanks to some lovely psychology experiments that have been done, we can all rest assured that when those in authority tell our neighbors to burn us alive, they will do so.  I can&#039;t wait for all the great changes Comrade Obama will bring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the questions posted in the article-  yes, I will be considered a traitor for thinking that, as I will for speaking out against those things.  I am prepared for the results, though I don&#8217;t look forward to them.  As to Bush making us into Nazi Germany, all he did was open the door.  When a President chooses to run roughshod over the congress, the Congress has its seats for sale in at least one case, and the justice system has become a court of law, not justice, with the masses choosing what is right or wrong for everyone, the nation becomes ripe for transformation.  In the case of the US, we will most likely try Socialism, because everyone who has gone to public school knows it&#8217;s the best way.  That it isn&#8217;t makes no difference, the masses have been told it is, so it is.  Thanks to some lovely psychology experiments that have been done, we can all rest assured that when those in authority tell our neighbors to burn us alive, they will do so.  I can&#8217;t wait for all the great changes Comrade Obama will bring.</p>
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		<title>By: rmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

As usual, you delightfully expand the consciousness of intelligent, receptive individuals. 

Authentic heroes and patriots possess a precious trait that unfortunately most people lack—impeccable integrity. Our once great nation is suffering terrible consequences of monumental proportions because of a severe shortage of this critical, life-enhancing trait.

Tragically, we are a nation of people who have lost the vision. We are destroying the very foundation our founding fathers created—the foundation of individualism and free enterprise. What took centuries to build, built with wisdom, ingenuity and hard work, is being torn asunder in a blink of an eye. 

Instead of people knowing and understanding that they are only entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness—they believe they possess a right to entitlements—that they can live at the expense of others. And of course &quot;Big Brother&quot; and his squad of altruists (politicians) have open up a mall—a mall supplied with stolen goods—goods pilfered from hard-working, productive citizens. All who desire unearned benefits, who refuse to trade value for value, are welcome. 

Who is the true patriot of The American Way of Life? The person who supports futile foreign excursions and government interventions that are destroying our economic system—or those freedom loving individuals who support Laissez faire (unhampered) capitalism and advocate the sanctity of an individual’s life, liberty and property.

Robert A. Meyer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>As usual, you delightfully expand the consciousness of intelligent, receptive individuals. </p>
<p>Authentic heroes and patriots possess a precious trait that unfortunately most people lack—impeccable integrity. Our once great nation is suffering terrible consequences of monumental proportions because of a severe shortage of this critical, life-enhancing trait.</p>
<p>Tragically, we are a nation of people who have lost the vision. We are destroying the very foundation our founding fathers created—the foundation of individualism and free enterprise. What took centuries to build, built with wisdom, ingenuity and hard work, is being torn asunder in a blink of an eye. </p>
<p>Instead of people knowing and understanding that they are only entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness—they believe they possess a right to entitlements—that they can live at the expense of others. And of course &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; and his squad of altruists (politicians) have open up a mall—a mall supplied with stolen goods—goods pilfered from hard-working, productive citizens. All who desire unearned benefits, who refuse to trade value for value, are welcome. </p>
<p>Who is the true patriot of The American Way of Life? The person who supports futile foreign excursions and government interventions that are destroying our economic system—or those freedom loving individuals who support Laissez faire (unhampered) capitalism and advocate the sanctity of an individual’s life, liberty and property.</p>
<p>Robert A. Meyer</p>
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		<title>By: daleoffet</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleoffet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You, looking forward to part II.
Everyone can be a hero if dedicated</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You, looking forward to part II.<br />
Everyone can be a hero if dedicated</p>
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		<title>By: kirkreeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirkreeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Ringer
Yes the United States is fast becoming another Nazi Germany.  I think ou are an honest enough person to look in the mirror and see your blindness in this.  You bitterly complained about Bill Clinton.  You are complaining about Obama although he has yet to take office.  Yet the man who has made it most likely we will become Nazi Germany, you had two things.  George Bush.  You sid in one column whether you like Bush or not at least he takes bold action.  The othr thing you sid which othr pointed out the evil actions Bush has taken you said.  I want to tak about Obama/McCain because Bush is a lame duck as so the things he did doesn&#039;t matter.  

First, the reason Hitler was admired in Germany is because he did take bold action. I doubt you liked the action because while I don&#039;t know your family history I think it affect you or your family in some horrible way.   Second, people excused the action he did take even when they were clear was they were saying, Hitler will be out of office or dead soon because germany is losing the war.

If you want to get us off the path to Nazi Germany, then you will have to have the courage to admit your blindness to Geogre Bush.  Once you can do that, other seeing your courage will have the courage to see where they were blind or wrong.  It might not be George Bush where they wee wrong.  It might be thinking it is too late to say or do anything.   It might be they think govrnment  works, or it might be  admiting they were wrong.  I think this is yet you&#039;ve taken the position you took on George Bush that you did.  Because it would be too hard to admit to yourself how wrong you were.

As less give this reply some thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Ringer<br />
Yes the United States is fast becoming another Nazi Germany.  I think ou are an honest enough person to look in the mirror and see your blindness in this.  You bitterly complained about Bill Clinton.  You are complaining about Obama although he has yet to take office.  Yet the man who has made it most likely we will become Nazi Germany, you had two things.  George Bush.  You sid in one column whether you like Bush or not at least he takes bold action.  The othr thing you sid which othr pointed out the evil actions Bush has taken you said.  I want to tak about Obama/McCain because Bush is a lame duck as so the things he did doesn&#8217;t matter.  </p>
<p>First, the reason Hitler was admired in Germany is because he did take bold action. I doubt you liked the action because while I don&#8217;t know your family history I think it affect you or your family in some horrible way.   Second, people excused the action he did take even when they were clear was they were saying, Hitler will be out of office or dead soon because germany is losing the war.</p>
<p>If you want to get us off the path to Nazi Germany, then you will have to have the courage to admit your blindness to Geogre Bush.  Once you can do that, other seeing your courage will have the courage to see where they were blind or wrong.  It might not be George Bush where they wee wrong.  It might be thinking it is too late to say or do anything.   It might be they think govrnment  works, or it might be  admiting they were wrong.  I think this is yet you&#8217;ve taken the position you took on George Bush that you did.  Because it would be too hard to admit to yourself how wrong you were.</p>
<p>As less give this reply some thought.</p>
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		<title>By: kejoca</title>
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		<dc:creator>kejoca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t raise taxes on those who can maybe afford it like the bankers and brokers and such who just got a bail-out and don&#039;t seem to have to account for what was given them. Turn the auto-makers out to the street and if they can&#039;t find any work I say round them up and put them in camps till they prove they can be productive  in the trickle-down commercial society.
If they behave will the bankers trickle down on them?
kejoca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t raise taxes on those who can maybe afford it like the bankers and brokers and such who just got a bail-out and don&#8217;t seem to have to account for what was given them. Turn the auto-makers out to the street and if they can&#8217;t find any work I say round them up and put them in camps till they prove they can be productive  in the trickle-down commercial society.<br />
If they behave will the bankers trickle down on them?<br />
kejoca</p>
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